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−	~~''' Special Effects'''~~
−
−	~~Dancers and Musicians have special abilities to use automatically. These abilities act as flourishes and can be called on via commands and when used they perform some sort of flashy ability or effect.~~
−	~~Like some flourishes, some special effects can be executed back to back.~~
−
−	~~{\|align="center"~~
−	\|-
−	~~\|\|[[image:ExecutingSpecialEffect.JPG\|200px\|thumb\|Executing a Special Effect]]~~
−	\|-
−	\|}
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−	~~{\|align="center"~~
−	\|-
−	~~\|\|[[image:BackToBackSpecialEffects.JPG\|200px\|thumb\|Back to back Special Effects]]~~
−	\|-
−	\|}

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−	~~Hard numbers on buffs~~
−	~~Options~~
−	~~Tiaga~~
−	~~Blue Glowie~~
−	~~Posts: 5393~~
−	~~Registered: 07-29-2003~~

−	~~Server: Kettemoor~~
−
−	~~http://web.archive.org/web/20050211202935/forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=entertainer&message.id=9535~~
−
−	~~With all the confusion surrounding mind buffing, I decided to run some tests and get some hard numbers. What I found may suprise you. It sure did me.~~
−
−	~~First, the quick summary...~~
−
−	~~Things that have NO effect on buffs~~
−
−	* Passive vs active
−	* Grouped vs ungrouped
−	* Usage of effects
−	* Stopping performing and starting again
−	* The two minute minimum
−	* Stopping before the 2 minutes is up+
−	~~* Level of dance/music*~~
−
−
−
−	~~Things that DO have an effect on buffs~~
−
−	* Flourishing
−	* Time spent performing
−
−
−
−	* Technically this does have an effect.. But that effect is quickly marginalized to the point where it is not a difference at all. If you want to know why, read on.
−	~~+ If they stop watching/listening and get told they need to listen for 2 minutes.. They just need to start watching/listening again for 2 minutes without losing any progress.~~
−
−	~~So this "best dance" and "best music" thing is mostly just a myth. You can give a 2 hour buff just as quickly dancing basic as you can dancing exotic3. Just flourish flourish flourish.~~
−
−	~~Onto the nitty gritty details. If you're not interested in the details then no need to read on...~~
−
−	~~The basics...~~
−	~~It's very simple. There are two things that add to a buff. Every xp "tick", and a flourish. Each of these events adds to both the time, and size of the buff.~~
−
−	~~Making a buff last...~~
−	Buffs are a minimum of 10 seconds. From there it's minutes at a time. Every flourish, and every xp tick adds 1 minute to the buff. So if there were not a 5 flourish limit, 120 flourishes would be 2 hours. Since there is a 5 flourish limit, that means at most you can add 6 minutes every 10 seconds. (5 for a flourish, 1 for the xp tick)
−
−	~~Making a buff bigger...~~
−	This is where what you are playing/dancing makes a difference. Again, every flourish and xp tick add to the buff.. But what they add is different. The base amount they add is based on the level of what you are performing, or what instrument you are playing. Specifically:
−	~~Novice entertainer (Basic, rhythmic, starwars1 w/ slitherhorn): 2%~~
−	~~Entertainer dance/music I-III: 3$~~
−	~~Entertainer dance/music IV: 4%~~
−	~~Novice dancer/musician - Knowledge II: 5%~~
−	~~Knowledge III-IV: 6%~~
−	~~Master dancer/musician: 7%~~
−
−	Now a little explanation on how that works... That is the base gain. The xp tick always adds that amount to the buff. A flourish, however, adds 5x that to the buff. So a flourish of basic adds 10%, while a flourish of virtuoso or exotic3 adds 35%. So, while the level of the dance DOES effect the gain.. 10 flourishes and even basic is 100%.
−
−	~~Experience from buffing...~~
−	Buffing gives experience. Entertainer healing experience, in fact. If you've read my earlier reports on experience, you'll know that healing xp shows up as the last of 3 lines of healing xp each tick. But where does it come from? Well, earlier I reported that it is granted 1xp for each % buffed. Well, that's half true. Every % buffed by the xp tick gives 1xp. So, if you look at that chart above and replace % with xp, that is how much xp you get per tick, up until your max. The max, of course, being your mind enhancement skill. Thus, if an unenhanced master is dancing exotic, and flourishes once early on, they will get 35% from the flourish, and 65% from the xp tick, so they will give the group 65 healing xp. If you get to 100% before one tick, you get no xp at all, as the xp tick isn't buffing any.
−
−	~~On the 2 minute minimum...~~
−	The only effect the two minute minimum has is exactly that, a two minute minimum for the buff to take effect. It doesn't matter if they started watching/listening before being buffed, nor does it matter if you are performing for the entire 2 minutes. They can start watching/listening, then you stop performing, then 2 minutes later start again, and you could grant them a tiny buff nearly right away. Other than that, the minimum has no effect on the buff.
−
−	~~Getting the best buff~~
−	So basically for the best buff, you need to do 120 flourishes or xp ticks. So every 10 seconds you spend buffing is one less flourish you need to do. Thus, the minimum is 3 minutes, 20 seconds.. That is 20 xp ticks for 20 minutes, and 100 flourishes for the other hour 40 minutes.
−
−	~~If I wanted to do math I wouldn't have a computer. What does this all mean?~~
−	~~Well, to get the best buff, how long depends on how often you flourish... Based on the interval between flourishes...~~
−	~~2 seconds or less: 3 minutes 20 seconds~~
−	~~4 seconds: 5 minutes 42 seconds~~
−	~~5 seconds: 6 minutes 40 seconds~~
−	~~6 seconds: 7 minutes 30 seconds~~
−	~~8 seconds: 8 minutes 53 seconds~~
−	~~10 seconds: 10 minutes~~
−	~~15 seconds: 12 minutes~~
−	~~20 seconds: 13 minutes 20 seconds~~
−	~~30 seconds: 15 minutes~~
−	~~never: 20 minutes~~
−
−
−	~~Re: Hard numbers on buffs~~
−	~~Options~~
−	~~Tiaga~~
−	~~Blue Glowie~~
−	~~Posts: 5393~~
−	~~Registered: 07-29-2003~~
−
−	~~Server: Kettemoor~~
−
−
−	~~Correct, it was on live. Highest entertainer I have on test is master entertainer.~~
−
−	~~I would love to compare this to pre-patch and see if anything had changed, but there wasn't really anything like this before, and no pre-patch servers around to try it on.~~
−
−	~~As for what tests I did.. Most of what I did was using dance to test, then I just did some spot tests with music to make sure the~~
−	~~numbers worked the same. What I would do is have the performer start, then the victim watch/listen. Before the 3 minutes were up,~~
−	~~the performer would do a /setperform victim, some number of flourishes/amount of time, then a /setperform self.~~
−
−	~~I started with popular; testing a flourish, 10 seconds of non-flourishing, both, and two flourishes, making note of the percentage~~
−	~~and duration of the buff for each. Next, I tested basic, again a flourish and a non-flourish. At this point I saw the relation~~
−	~~between the % given per tick and per flourish, so the rest of the dances I tested only 1 flourish, made note of the percentage and~~
−	~~verified the duration was the same. I only tested one dance per level, assuming all dances at the same skill are identical in~~
−	~~buffing as they are in xp. Finally to prove correctness of the numbers, I did a few tests involving large numbers of flourishes and~~
−	~~long lengths of time, making sure that the numbers matched up with what I expected.~~
−
−
−	~~In doing those tests, I also proved that the 2 minutes is 2 minutes watching, not necessarily 2 minutes being buffed. Early on~~
−	~~before I had the bright idea to do just one or two flourishes for a short buff, I did an 8 minut-ish buff.. And after reaching~~
−	~~100%, I noted that even if I stopped watching and started again, I wasn't getting xp still, meaning the buff was partly applied. I~~
−	~~tested that again later by watching, doing the flourish to buff, stop watching, then start again not being buffed for 2 minutes,~~
−	~~which produced a 1 minute 10 second buff.~~
−
−
−	~~To test grouped vs ungrouped, instead of doing /setperform target, the target would invite the performer and start watching. The~~
−	~~performer would then join, do a flourish, then disband. The results were identical to a targetted buff.~~
−
−
−	~~To test stopping and starting again, the target started watching the performer, who then did a flourish to buff, stopped for 15~~
−	~~seconds, then started and danced another minute. Again, the buff was applied.~~
−
−
−	~~For testing effects I did the same thing as for flourishes, except I did distract. The first time there was no buff at all, since~~
−	~~all I had done was a distract. So I repeated the test doing a single flourish, then a distract. That resulted in a 1 minute buff.~~
−
−
−	~~Finally, to test that the time was buffing because of xp ticks, I setup a macro that would setperform target, wait 8 seconds, then~~
−	~~setperform self and wait 2 seconds, and repeat. This was timed so the 2 seconds included the xp tick, meaning no xp ticks were~~
−	~~occurring while buffing. That resulted in a buff the size expected from the times when I was trying to get it timed right.~~
−
−
−	~~I might have done a few other tests that I've forgotten. They were not the primary focus, however, if I did.~~

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		+	Hard numbers on buffs
		+	Options
		+	Tiaga
		+	Blue Glowie
		+	Posts: 5393
		+	Registered: 07-29-2003

		+	Server: Kettemoor
		+
		+	http://web.archive.org/web/20050211202935/forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=entertainer&message.id=9535
		+
		+	With all the confusion surrounding mind buffing, I decided to run some tests and get some hard numbers. What I found may suprise you. It sure did me.
		+
		+	First, the quick summary...
		+
		+	Things that have NO effect on buffs
		+
		+	* Passive vs active
		+	* Grouped vs ungrouped
		+	* Usage of effects
		+	* Stopping performing and starting again
		+	* The two minute minimum
		+	* Stopping before the 2 minutes is up+
		+	* Level of dance/music*
		+
		+
		+
		+	Things that DO have an effect on buffs
		+
		+	* Flourishing
		+	* Time spent performing
		+
		+
		+
		+	* Technically this does have an effect.. But that effect is quickly marginalized to the point where it is not a difference at all. If you want to know why, read on.
		+	+ If they stop watching/listening and get told they need to listen for 2 minutes.. They just need to start watching/listening again for 2 minutes without losing any progress.
		+
		+	So this "best dance" and "best music" thing is mostly just a myth. You can give a 2 hour buff just as quickly dancing basic as you can dancing exotic3. Just flourish flourish flourish.
		+
		+	Onto the nitty gritty details. If you're not interested in the details then no need to read on...
		+
		+	The basics...
		+	It's very simple. There are two things that add to a buff. Every xp "tick", and a flourish. Each of these events adds to both the time, and size of the buff.
		+
		+	Making a buff last...
		+	Buffs are a minimum of 10 seconds. From there it's minutes at a time. Every flourish, and every xp tick adds 1 minute to the buff. So if there were not a 5 flourish limit, 120 flourishes would be 2 hours. Since there is a 5 flourish limit, that means at most you can add 6 minutes every 10 seconds. (5 for a flourish, 1 for the xp tick)
		+
		+	Making a buff bigger...
		+	This is where what you are playing/dancing makes a difference. Again, every flourish and xp tick add to the buff.. But what they add is different. The base amount they add is based on the level of what you are performing, or what instrument you are playing. Specifically:
		+	Novice entertainer (Basic, rhythmic, starwars1 w/ slitherhorn): 2%
		+	Entertainer dance/music I-III: 3$
		+	Entertainer dance/music IV: 4%
		+	Novice dancer/musician - Knowledge II: 5%
		+	Knowledge III-IV: 6%
		+	Master dancer/musician: 7%
		+
		+	Now a little explanation on how that works... That is the base gain. The xp tick always adds that amount to the buff. A flourish, however, adds 5x that to the buff. So a flourish of basic adds 10%, while a flourish of virtuoso or exotic3 adds 35%. So, while the level of the dance DOES effect the gain.. 10 flourishes and even basic is 100%.
		+
		+	Experience from buffing...
		+	Buffing gives experience. Entertainer healing experience, in fact. If you've read my earlier reports on experience, you'll know that healing xp shows up as the last of 3 lines of healing xp each tick. But where does it come from? Well, earlier I reported that it is granted 1xp for each % buffed. Well, that's half true. Every % buffed by the xp tick gives 1xp. So, if you look at that chart above and replace % with xp, that is how much xp you get per tick, up until your max. The max, of course, being your mind enhancement skill. Thus, if an unenhanced master is dancing exotic, and flourishes once early on, they will get 35% from the flourish, and 65% from the xp tick, so they will give the group 65 healing xp. If you get to 100% before one tick, you get no xp at all, as the xp tick isn't buffing any.
		+
		+	On the 2 minute minimum...
		+	The only effect the two minute minimum has is exactly that, a two minute minimum for the buff to take effect. It doesn't matter if they started watching/listening before being buffed, nor does it matter if you are performing for the entire 2 minutes. They can start watching/listening, then you stop performing, then 2 minutes later start again, and you could grant them a tiny buff nearly right away. Other than that, the minimum has no effect on the buff.
		+
		+	Getting the best buff
		+	So basically for the best buff, you need to do 120 flourishes or xp ticks. So every 10 seconds you spend buffing is one less flourish you need to do. Thus, the minimum is 3 minutes, 20 seconds.. That is 20 xp ticks for 20 minutes, and 100 flourishes for the other hour 40 minutes.
		+
		+	If I wanted to do math I wouldn't have a computer. What does this all mean?
		+	Well, to get the best buff, how long depends on how often you flourish... Based on the interval between flourishes...
		+	2 seconds or less: 3 minutes 20 seconds
		+	4 seconds: 5 minutes 42 seconds
		+	5 seconds: 6 minutes 40 seconds
		+	6 seconds: 7 minutes 30 seconds
		+	8 seconds: 8 minutes 53 seconds
		+	10 seconds: 10 minutes
		+	15 seconds: 12 minutes
		+	20 seconds: 13 minutes 20 seconds
		+	30 seconds: 15 minutes
		+	never: 20 minutes
		+
		+
		+	Re: Hard numbers on buffs
		+	Options
		+	Tiaga
		+	Blue Glowie
		+	Posts: 5393
		+	Registered: 07-29-2003
		+
		+	Server: Kettemoor
		+
		+
		+	Correct, it was on live. Highest entertainer I have on test is master entertainer.
		+
		+	I would love to compare this to pre-patch and see if anything had changed, but there wasn't really anything like this before, and no pre-patch servers around to try it on.
		+
		+	As for what tests I did.. Most of what I did was using dance to test, then I just did some spot tests with music to make sure the
		+	numbers worked the same. What I would do is have the performer start, then the victim watch/listen. Before the 3 minutes were up,
		+	the performer would do a /setperform victim, some number of flourishes/amount of time, then a /setperform self.
		+
		+	I started with popular; testing a flourish, 10 seconds of non-flourishing, both, and two flourishes, making note of the percentage
		+	and duration of the buff for each. Next, I tested basic, again a flourish and a non-flourish. At this point I saw the relation
		+	between the % given per tick and per flourish, so the rest of the dances I tested only 1 flourish, made note of the percentage and
		+	verified the duration was the same. I only tested one dance per level, assuming all dances at the same skill are identical in
		+	buffing as they are in xp. Finally to prove correctness of the numbers, I did a few tests involving large numbers of flourishes and
		+	long lengths of time, making sure that the numbers matched up with what I expected.
		+
		+
		+	In doing those tests, I also proved that the 2 minutes is 2 minutes watching, not necessarily 2 minutes being buffed. Early on
		+	before I had the bright idea to do just one or two flourishes for a short buff, I did an 8 minut-ish buff.. And after reaching
		+	100%, I noted that even if I stopped watching and started again, I wasn't getting xp still, meaning the buff was partly applied. I
		+	tested that again later by watching, doing the flourish to buff, stop watching, then start again not being buffed for 2 minutes,
		+	which produced a 1 minute 10 second buff.
		+
		+
		+	To test grouped vs ungrouped, instead of doing /setperform target, the target would invite the performer and start watching. The
		+	performer would then join, do a flourish, then disband. The results were identical to a targetted buff.
		+
		+
		+	To test stopping and starting again, the target started watching the performer, who then did a flourish to buff, stopped for 15
		+	seconds, then started and danced another minute. Again, the buff was applied.
		+
		+
		+	For testing effects I did the same thing as for flourishes, except I did distract. The first time there was no buff at all, since
		+	all I had done was a distract. So I repeated the test doing a single flourish, then a distract. That resulted in a 1 minute buff.
		+
		+
		+	Finally, to test that the time was buffing because of xp ticks, I setup a macro that would setperform target, wait 8 seconds, then
		+	setperform self and wait 2 seconds, and repeat. This was timed so the 2 seconds included the xp tick, meaning no xp ticks were
		+	occurring while buffing. That resulted in a buff the size expected from the times when I was trying to get it timed right.
		+
		+
		+	I might have done a few other tests that I've forgotten. They were not the primary focus, however, if I did.

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		+	''' Special Effects'''
		+
		+	Dancers and Musicians have special abilities to use automatically. These abilities act as flourishes and can be called on via commands and when used they perform some sort of flashy ability or effect.
		+	Like some flourishes, some special effects can be executed back to back.
		+
		+	{\|align="center"
		+	\|-
		+	\|\|[[image:ExecutingSpecialEffect.JPG\|200px\|thumb\|Executing a Special Effect]]
		+	\|-
		+	\|}
		+
		+
		+
		+	{\|align="center"
		+	\|-
		+	\|\|[[image:BackToBackSpecialEffects.JPG\|200px\|thumb\|Back to back Special Effects]]
		+	\|-
		+	\|}

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 |align="left"|'''[[setperformancebufftarget (E78EAFDD)|setperformancebufftarget]]'''||'''[[setperformancebufftarget (E78EAFDD)|E78EAFDD]]'''||'''[[SetPerformanceBuffTarget (Ability)]]'''||{{Small0P}}
 |- align="center"
-|align="left"|'''[[spotlight (ED4AA746)|spotlight]]'''||'''[[spotlight (ED4AA746)|ED4AA746]]'''||'''[[Spot Light (Ability)]]'''||{{Small0P}}
+|align="left"|'''[[spotlight (ED4AA746)|spotlight]]'''||'''[[spotlight (ED4AA746)|ED4AA746]]'''||'''[[Spot Light (Ability)]]'''||{{Small25P}}
 |- align="center" style="background-color:#F1F1F1;"
 |align="left"|'''[[smokebomb (D536B419)|smokebomb]]'''||'''[[smokebomb (D536B419)|D536B419]]'''||'''[[Smoke Bomb (Ability)]]'''||{{Small0P}}

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 These modules provide visual displays for an entertainer. You can place up to 10 different effects in a row, with a timer of 3 - 60 seconds between each effect. The following is a list of all 6 modules and a basic description of what they do.
+:* Avian - white birds fly away from the droid
-Avian - white birds fly away from the droid
+:* Foam - sort of like a cloud effect around the ground spreading about 4-5m
+:* Electric Fog - a slow burst of sparkles surrounds the droid
-Foam - sort of like a cloud effect around the ground spreading about
+:* Confetti - wads of confetti are thrown into the air and sprinkle everywhere
--5m
+:* Mind bloom - a really nice looking slow moving plasma effect in the air around the droid
+:* Dancing Jawa - Laser show with images of a dancing jawa floating in the air
 Electric Fog - a slow burst of sparkles surrounds the droid
-−
 Confetti - wads of confetti are thrown into the air and sprinkle
 everywhere
-−
 Mind bloom - a really nice looking slow moving plasma effect in the air
 around the droid
-−
 Dancing Jawa - Laser show with images of a dancing jawa floating in
 the air
 The Effects module creates a radial menu with the Effects On/Off Toggle for a Novice Dancer of Musician. The Effects On/Off Toggle has a sub menu called Configure that allows you to program 10 slots. Each slot can be filled with one of the Effects Modules installed and allows you to set a delay time for each effect.
 '''Mind Buffing Basics'''

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		+
		+	Note: Guide did not offer values for the Master Entertainer lines such as
		+	Ceremonial, footlose2, formal2 and the instrument
		+	Mandoviol
		+
		+	I will assume they are the same as the other Master Professions until new evidence is uncovered to show otherwise:
		+
		+	7%<br>
		+	35% <br>