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== Experience Earning ==
 
== Experience Earning ==
  
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Experience is only granted to you when you successfully do something in a particular skill. For instance, to get Surveying experience, you have to successfully perform a survey for resources. When this is done, you will get a message telling you how much Surveying experience you have been granted. You can't get Pistol experience from using a survey tool; you need to use your pistol in combat.
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Experience can be granted to you when you successfully do something in a particular skill. For instance, to get Surveying experience, you have to successfully perform a survey for resources. When this is done, you will get a message telling you how much Surveying experience you have been granted. You can't get Pistol experience from using a survey tool; you need to use your pistol in combat.
  
 
Different skills require that you earn your experience in different ways. For instance, any of the Artisan professions, (crafters), only get part of their experience from actual crafting. The remainder of their experience is granted to them slowly over time, as their item is used. This is called "Usage Experience". There will be more about the different experience types in the sub category "Experience Types".
 
Different skills require that you earn your experience in different ways. For instance, any of the Artisan professions, (crafters), only get part of their experience from actual crafting. The remainder of their experience is granted to them slowly over time, as their item is used. This is called "Usage Experience". There will be more about the different experience types in the sub category "Experience Types".
  
 
As you continually succeed in surveying or using your pistol, you will notice that the experience points are accumulated in your Skills Interface (CTRL-S). When you get enough experience of a certain type, you will get a system message telling you that you have become eligible to train in a higher level skill box than you currently have. This is what earning experience is all about.
 
As you continually succeed in surveying or using your pistol, you will notice that the experience points are accumulated in your Skills Interface (CTRL-S). When you get enough experience of a certain type, you will get a system message telling you that you have become eligible to train in a higher level skill box than you currently have. This is what earning experience is all about.
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Experience may also be accumulated by performing certain Quests (as a reward) or by trading in faction points to faction recruiters.  Trading faction to recruiters converts faction points to any experience type the player currently has skills to learn. For example an artisan trading in faction points for experience can obtain general crafting experience. All faction trades in at a ratio of 1 faction point per every 1 experience point for all types of experience.
  
 
== Losing Exp ==
 
== Losing Exp ==
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As mentioned before there are different types of experience for different types of skills.
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As mentioned before there are different types of experience for different types of skills. Examples of some of the different types of experience are as follows:
  
 
To earn combat experience in a certain weapon, you need to use that weapon in combat and successfully defeat creatures. When you do this, you will earn weapon experience as well as general combat experience.
 
To earn combat experience in a certain weapon, you need to use that weapon in combat and successfully defeat creatures. When you do this, you will earn weapon experience as well as general combat experience.
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== Experience Calculations ==
 
== Experience Calculations ==
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'''Racial Experience Bonuses'''
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Most races have an innate bonus to experience earned when performing certain activities.  A list of these can be found in the file species.iff.
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Human: 5% bonus to all activities i.e crafting, scout, trapping, combat, weapon, jedi, squad leader, creature handling, image designing, dancing, musician, entertainer healing
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Rodian: 5% bonus to investigation and scout experience
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Mon Calimari: 3% bonus to structure and armor crafting. 7% bonus to squad leader experience.
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Bothan: 10% bonus to scout experience.
  
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Twilek: 7% bonus to dancing experience. 3% bonus to musician experience.
  
  
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''' Weapon and Combat Experience'''
 
''' Weapon and Combat Experience'''
  
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The exact nature of combat oriented experience calculations in SWG are unknown at the moment however it appeared to be based upon some calculation taking into account set mob experience values for a given creature/npc along with its challenge level vs the player's challenge level with their currently equipped weapon or skill set.  Challenge levels of players are calculated based upon the personal difficulty modifier within each skill box of a combat profession. Each player starts off with a challenge level of 5.  For every 100 units of personal difficulty a player adds by training in a skill, one challenge level is gained.  In order for the player to qualify for this challenge level, they must equip a weapon that is linked to the type of experience/profession to which they wish to attack the creature with.  A pistoleer would there for require a pistol weapon to be equipped in order to receive the challenge modifiers linked to pistol skills. A teras kasi for example would require bare handed fighting or using a vibro knuckler.  A player's challenge level cannot go above CL 25 so in essence a combined total of 2500 from modifiers is the maximum possible for an individual player.
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The exact nature of combat oriented experience calculations in SWG are unknown at the moment however it appeared to be based upon some calculation taking into account set mob experience values for a given creature/npc along with its challenge level vs the player's challenge level with their currently equipped weapon or skill set.  For more information on challenge levels see the section on [[Combat Difficulty Rating (Game_Mechanics)|Combat Difficulty Rating]].
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Grouping has an interesting effect on this calculation. Groups have a difficulty modifier which takes into account the entirety of the challenge levels of the group and takes the group average cl.  So a group of 25 elite combat profession masters would have a combined total of CL 25. A group of 10 cl 10 players and 10 cl 25 players would have an average of 17.5 or cl 17/18. A second benefit from grouping is a group experience bonus multiplier is added to all weapon experience calculations. The known bonus for grouping gives 25% extra experience while grouped.  This bonus can be obtained even while grouped with pets.  
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Another factor in this is the percentage sharing of experience based on the amount of damage done.  An individual shares in the experience of the creature or npc based upon how much damage they have done to its total ham before the creature died, much like in determining looting rights. The percentage of damage done to the creature is reflected in the percentage of the experienced received.  This allows for grouped and ungrouped players to share experience from the same targets.
 
Another factor in this is the percentage sharing of experience based on the amount of damage done.  An individual shares in the experience of the creature or npc based upon how much damage they have done to its total ham before the creature died, much like in determining looting rights. The percentage of damage done to the creature is reflected in the percentage of the experienced received.  This allows for grouped and ungrouped players to share experience from the same targets.
  
  
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Combat experience is derived based upon the total weapon type experience earned within the fight multiplied by 1/10th.  There fore Combat experience is always one-tenth of experience earned. Not all weapons have special weapon types or classifications. Grenades for example do not have a weapon type (such as being a pistol or unarmed for vks/bare fist) Weapons that do not have weapon types are considered to generate their entire experience amounts as pure combat experience.   
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Combat experience is derived based upon the total weapon type experience earned within the fight multiplied by 1/10th.  There fore Combat experience is always one-tenth of experience earned. Not all weapons have special weapon types or classifications. Grenades for example do not have a weapon type (such as being a pistol or unarmed for vibro knucklers/bare fist) Weapons that do not have weapon types are considered to generate their entire experience amounts as pure combat experience.   
  
  
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One formula for calculating the experience could be as follows:
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One formula for calculating weapon experience could be as follows:
  
  
  
  
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( (MOB CL  /  Player CL (or average of party) ) x Base Exp Of Mob ) x Group Exp bonus Multiplier)
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( ( ( MOB CL  /  Player CL ) x 10) x Base Exp Of Mob ) x Group Exp bonus Multiplier x Racial Multiplier)
  
 
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Mob cl = Opponent's Challenge level
 
Mob cl = Opponent's Challenge level
  
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Player Cl = Player Challenge level
  
 
Base exp = Base experience of the creature or npc
 
Base exp = Base experience of the creature or npc
  
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Group exp bonus multiplier = Multiplier for being in a group or 1.25 if grouped 1.0 for ungrouped.
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Group exp bonus multiplier = Multiplier for being in a group. Group bonus appears to be 20% flat bonus  for grouping (either a pet or another player). Additional bonus is applied after the group size becomes 10 or more. Each person beyond 9 members in the group adds an additional 1% bonus to the total up to a maximum of 30% bonus for a group of 20.  
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So if you were level 5, and you fought a level 3 MOB with 100 experiance, it you cuold get 60 experiance )
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'''Example:'''
  
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Since in SWG you can switch weapon types in mid battle, the ammount of weapon experiance you got was equal to
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So if you were level 5, and you fought a level 3 MOB worth 100 experience, you could get 60 experience. Since in SWG you can switch weapon types in mid battle, the amount of weapon experience you got was equal to:
  
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("Damge dealt with that weapon"/Maximum health of the MOB) X Total possible EXP.
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( ("Damage dealt with that weapon" / Maximum health of the MOB ) x Total Possible EXP)
  
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refering back to that last example, if you used a polearm weapon for 50 pts of damage, and a sword for 90 pts of damage, you'd get 21 polearm exp and 39 sword experiance.
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Referring back to that last example, if you used a polearm weapon for 50 pts of damage, and a sword for 90 points of damage, you'd get 21 polearm exp and 39 sword experience.
  
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You also gained Combat experiance (basically, the most general experiance that almost every class used at some point in time) which was equal to 1/10 of the total gained exp. Thus in the past example, you'd get 6 combat experiance.
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You also gained Combat experience (basically, the most general experience that almost every class used at some point in time) which was equal to 1/10 of the total gained exp. Thus in the past example, you'd get 6 combat experience.
  
  

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Experience

Experience is tallied in points and is awarded to the player after they have performed certain tasks. The amount of experience points awarded is presented to the player on their screen as a system message.

Experience granted is only directly relative to the type of task that has just been successfully completed.

See the sub menus below for more details on how to earn experience, and the different types of experience.


Experience Earning

Experience can be granted to you when you successfully do something in a particular skill. For instance, to get Surveying experience, you have to successfully perform a survey for resources. When this is done, you will get a message telling you how much Surveying experience you have been granted. You can't get Pistol experience from using a survey tool; you need to use your pistol in combat.

Different skills require that you earn your experience in different ways. For instance, any of the Artisan professions, (crafters), only get part of their experience from actual crafting. The remainder of their experience is granted to them slowly over time, as their item is used. This is called "Usage Experience". There will be more about the different experience types in the sub category "Experience Types".

As you continually succeed in surveying or using your pistol, you will notice that the experience points are accumulated in your Skills Interface (CTRL-S). When you get enough experience of a certain type, you will get a system message telling you that you have become eligible to train in a higher level skill box than you currently have. This is what earning experience is all about.


Experience may also be accumulated by performing certain Quests (as a reward) or by trading in faction points to faction recruiters. Trading faction to recruiters converts faction points to any experience type the player currently has skills to learn. For example an artisan trading in faction points for experience can obtain general crafting experience. All faction trades in at a ratio of 1 faction point per every 1 experience point for all types of experience.

Losing Exp

Experience can be stockpiled by the player up to a certain cap limit. This cap is set for each skill box individually, within the skills.iff file. Upon reaching the cap, the player will not obtain anymore experience and will receive a short one time notification each time they reach a cap for a particular type of skill. If a player surrenders the skill box while still having experience stockpiled,they will keep the stockpiled experience until they do some action using a weapon or ability that relates to that type of experience. For example, if a player using pistols 4 in marksman, and has capped pistol experience at 200,000 drops their current skill to pistols 1 (which has a cap of 10,000) and then kills a mob they will then lose 190,000 experience and max out at the cap for pistol 1. A player does not need to have capped experience in order to lose it however. Any amount over the current skill level's cap will be lost if any experience for that type is gained or if a mob is killed using a weapon/ability for particular category. The principal is the same for non combatant professions as well. If an dancer for example performs a dancing flourish, they will lose dancing experience; If a bio-engineer performs a sample, they will lose dna-sampling experience; A crafter making an item.

Experience Types

As mentioned before there are different types of experience for different types of skills. Examples of some of the different types of experience are as follows:

To earn combat experience in a certain weapon, you need to use that weapon in combat and successfully defeat creatures. When you do this, you will earn weapon experience as well as general combat experience.

Crafting experience is earned when you successfully craft an item, and then have someone use that item for X amount of time. At lower levels, you get more experience granted to you at the time of item creation than from its long time use. As you get into the higher levels of crafting, your experience allotment leans more towards the long time usage and less for the actual creation of the item.

To earn healing experience, you need to successfully heal pool damage (Mind, Action, and Health), or successfully heal wounds on other players. Unfortunately, healing yourself will not grant you experience.

Entertainer experience is earned by either dancing or playing an instrument while someone, who needs healing, chooses to "Watch" you dance or "Listen" to you play. "Watch" and "Listen", among other choices, are able to be selected through your radial menu (please see the appropriate section for more information on "radial menus"). This must be done inside a Cantina, Hotel, or Theater. As you slowly heal them, you earn small ticks of entertainer experience over time.



Experience Type Description
Apprenticeship This experience is gained purely from teaching other player's skills.
DNA Sampling This experience is earned by sampling DNA from creatures.
Bounty Hunter This experience is gained by completing bounty hunter missions.
Wilderness Survival This experience is gained from setting up and maintaining camps in the wilderness as well as crafting traps and camps.
Combat This experience is gained by engaging in combat.
Onehanded Weapons This experience is gained by engaging in one handed melee combat.
Onehanded Lightsaber This experience is gained by engaging in one handed lightsaber melee combat.
Polearm Weapons This experience is gained by engaging in polearm combat.
Polearm Lightsaber This experience is gained by engaging in polearm lightsaber melee combat.
Twohanded Weapons This experience is gained by engaging in two handed melee combat.
Twohanded Lightsaber This experience is gained by engaging in two handed lightsaber melee combat.
Unarmed Combat This experience is gained by engaging in unarmed melee combat.
Carbine Weapons This experience is gained by engaging in combat with a carbine.
Heavy Weapons This experience is gained by engaging in combat with heavy weapons.
Pistol Weapons This experience is gained by engaging in combat with a pistol.
Rifle Weapons This experience is gained from killing NPCs and creatures with a rifle.
Bio-Engineer Crafting This experience is earned by crafting Bio-Engineered components and creatures.
Armor Crafting This experience is gained from crafting armor.
Tailoring This experience is granted by making clothes.
Droid Crafting This experience is gained by crafting droids.
Food Crafting This experience is gained by crafting foods.
General Crafting General crafting experience; used by artisan profession for all branches except surveying line..
Medicine Crafting This experience is gained by crafting medical items. Doctors, Medics, and Combat Medics benefit from this type of experience.
Spice Crafting This experience is gained by crafting spices.
Structure Crafting This experience is gained by crafting structures.
Weapon Crafting This experience is gained by crafting weapons.
Creature Handling This experience is gained from taming creatures, training creatures commands, and when creatures do well in combat.
Dancing This experience is gained by performing dances.
Entertainer Healing This experience is gained by healing Battle Fatigue and Mind Wounds and by performing mind buffs through performance techniques.
Force Rank This experience is a measure of your standing with your Jedi Enclave. It can be gained by defeating Enclave enemies in battle. It can be lost by being killed in combat as well as not fulfilling Enclave duties.
Force-sensitive Combat This experience is gained through conversion of standard combat experience types.
Force-sensitive Crafting This experience is gained through conversion of standard crafting experience types.
Force-sensitive Reflex This experience is gained through conversion of standard combat experience types.
Force-sensitive Senses This experience is gained through conversion of senses related experience types such as entertainer, scout, and medical.
Image Designer This experience is gained by changing other players' appearances.
Jedi This experience is gained from defeating creatures or npcs with a lightsaber.
Medical This experience is gained from healing people, with commands and with medpacks and stimpacks.
Merchant This experience is gained from having a vendor and from having people use that vendor. This can accrue offline. Experience is also obtained via players paying access fees.
Musician This experience is gained by playing music.
Political Political experience is earned by participating in the mayoral votes held in player cities.
Surveying This experience is gained from sampling resources.
Scouting This experience is gained from harvesting and other Scout activities such as successfully using mask scent.
Shipwright This experience is gained by crafting ship components and chassis.
Slicing This experience is gained by successfully slicing weapons, armor, terminals, and by unlocking chests.
Starship Combat This experience is gained by engaging in starship combat.
Squad Leadership This experience is gained by a Squad Leader's group performing well in combat. Only the Squad Leader gets this type of experience.
Trapping This experience is gained from successfully trapping creatures in the wilderness.
Unobtainable Experience This experience is unobtainable.
Imperial Prestige This experience represents your status within the Empire. Experience is earned after mastering pilot for the empire,


Pilot Prestige This experience represents your status within the Pilot's Guild.
Rebel Prestige This experience represents your status within the Rebellion. Experience is earned after mastering pilot for the rebellion.

Experience Calculations

Crafting Experience


Crafting experience is obtained by crafting items. Each item has a set amount of experience associated with it within the draf_schematic iff files. When an item is crafted in Practice Mode however, it receives a 5% bonus over the listed experience.


Racial Experience Bonuses


Most races have an innate bonus to experience earned when performing certain activities. A list of these can be found in the file species.iff.

Human: 5% bonus to all activities i.e crafting, scout, trapping, combat, weapon, jedi, squad leader, creature handling, image designing, dancing, musician, entertainer healing

Rodian: 5% bonus to investigation and scout experience

Mon Calimari: 3% bonus to structure and armor crafting. 7% bonus to squad leader experience.

Bothan: 10% bonus to scout experience.

Twilek: 7% bonus to dancing experience. 3% bonus to musician experience.


Usage Experience

(Note Usage XP was removed in late 2003 or by early 2004. This is only here to serve as documentation for how it worked)


Hand-crafted items give UXP (usage experience, the experience granted when someone else uses your item), items crafted in factories give no UXP. You currently must be logged in and on the same planet as the person using your crafted equipment to get UXP. Consumable items (such as foods), Weapon Upgrade Kits, commando weapons etc give 50% of their original creation UXP the instant they are used up, provided they were hand-crafted and not made in a factory. Buildings provide up to 100% of the original creation experience and other items such as cloths, armor, weapons etc give 150% of the original value. Clothing, armor and weapons are consisdered active use items in that the user has to have these items equiped and on their person (in the case of clothes) for usage experience to be calculated. For clothing the count is 1 exp per 60 seconds that the item is worn. For armors, the experience is acrued based on how long the armor is hit. For weapons, this value seems to be determined based on how long/often the weapon is being fired.




Weapon and Combat Experience

The exact nature of combat oriented experience calculations in SWG are unknown at the moment however it appeared to be based upon some calculation taking into account set mob experience values for a given creature/npc along with its challenge level vs the player's challenge level with their currently equipped weapon or skill set. For more information on challenge levels see the section on Combat Difficulty Rating.

Another factor in this is the percentage sharing of experience based on the amount of damage done. An individual shares in the experience of the creature or npc based upon how much damage they have done to its total ham before the creature died, much like in determining looting rights. The percentage of damage done to the creature is reflected in the percentage of the experienced received. This allows for grouped and ungrouped players to share experience from the same targets.


Combat experience is derived based upon the total weapon type experience earned within the fight multiplied by 1/10th. There fore Combat experience is always one-tenth of experience earned. Not all weapons have special weapon types or classifications. Grenades for example do not have a weapon type (such as being a pistol or unarmed for vibro knucklers/bare fist) Weapons that do not have weapon types are considered to generate their entire experience amounts as pure combat experience.


One formula for calculating weapon experience could be as follows:



( ( ( MOB CL / Player CL ) x 10) x Base Exp Of Mob ) x Group Exp bonus Multiplier x Racial Multiplier)

Where:

Mob cl = Opponent's Challenge level

Player Cl = Player Challenge level

Base exp = Base experience of the creature or npc

Group exp bonus multiplier = Multiplier for being in a group. Group bonus appears to be 20% flat bonus for grouping (either a pet or another player). Additional bonus is applied after the group size becomes 10 or more. Each person beyond 9 members in the group adds an additional 1% bonus to the total up to a maximum of 30% bonus for a group of 20.

Racial Multiplier: Multiplier applied for a particular race.



Example:

So if you were level 5, and you fought a level 3 MOB worth 100 experience, you could get 60 experience. Since in SWG you can switch weapon types in mid battle, the amount of weapon experience you got was equal to:

( ("Damage dealt with that weapon" / Maximum health of the MOB ) x Total Possible EXP)

Referring back to that last example, if you used a polearm weapon for 50 pts of damage, and a sword for 90 points of damage, you'd get 21 polearm exp and 39 sword experience.

You also gained Combat experience (basically, the most general experience that almost every class used at some point in time) which was equal to 1/10 of the total gained exp. Thus in the past example, you'd get 6 combat experience.


Example:


Player fighting npc using unarmed combat and pistol weapon.


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00:25:25 You swing at House Oco (a Ragtag kook) but miss.
00:25:25 House Oco (a Ragtag kook) swings at you and hits for 33 points of damage.
00:25:25 Your Ubese Armor Gloves armor prevented 21 points of damage.
00:25:27 Sseuneowiz (a Ragtag kook) swings at you and hits for 36 points of damage.
00:25:27 Your Ubese Armor Pants armor prevented 24 points of damage.
00:25:28 You swing at House Oco (a Ragtag kook) and hit for 87 points of damage.
00:25:28 House Oco (a Ragtag kook) swings at you and hits for 43 points of damage.
00:25:29 Your Ubese Armor Jacket armor prevented 29 points of damage.
00:25:31 House Oco (a Ragtag kook) swings at you and misses.
00:25:32 Sseuneowiz (a Ragtag kook) swings at you and hits for 25 points of damage.
00:25:32 Your Ubese Armor Jacket armor prevented 16 points of damage.
00:25:32 You swing at House Oco (a Ragtag kook), but she dodges out of the way.
00:25:35 That target is out of range.
00:25:35 Sseuneowiz (a Ragtag kook) swings at you and hits for 43 points of damage.
00:25:35 Your Ubese Armor Pants armor prevented 29 points of damage.
00:25:37 You shoot at House Oco (a Ragtag kook) but miss.
00:25:38 You cannot lose any more of Thug faction standing.
00:25:38 You cannot gain any more of Townsperson faction standing.
00:25:39 You shoot at House Oco (a Ragtag kook) and hit for 180 points of damage.
00:25:39 You receive 45 points of Unarmed Combat experience.
00:25:39 You receive 3 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
00:25:39 You receive 4 points of Combat experience.

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