Creature Harvesting 4 (Source)

This post is about Harvest Droids and their functionality when a Master Ranger is not grouped with any other players. These are the amounts harvested from Mountain Squills over a large area. They numbers are presented in the order harvested. The first item in the the hand row was the first harvest, the first item in the droid row was the second harvest, Etc. I didn't take numbers with Veghash, but testing I did for my self (data lost) confirmed that it did stack with droids. Previous testing has shown that when not grouped with other players, being grouped or not being grouped with the droid has no effect on harvesting.

HB 111 Droid

hand 164, 164, 164, 164, 168, 169 droid 169, 169, 170, 170, 170, 174

This is the data that was asked for. I could point to many people here that probably got bad reading comprehension grades

I am never reading a post about Harvest Droids again.

Before I step out of the issue completely I would like to thank JB for reporting the possible bug in the functionality of these droids when grouped with players. Even if he has fanned the flames of discontent a bit.

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As is this. In this case I was hunting Bolle Bol on Naboo. Here are the results without veghash:

h 113 113 114 113 119 d 113 112 111 111 119

And here with veghash:

h 133 133 135 134 134 d 131 131 131 131 131

In my case I was using a droid with only a +76 bonus. As you can see this droid was usually harvesting less than me by hand. The obvious reason for this may be my droids low harvest rating - however before the Master Ranger harvest mod was raised to 150, this very same droid would always harvest more than me by hand, with or without veghash. Clearly the new Master harvest mod is having an effect on how the droids work. I know I could just go get a better droid, but this one also has a trap launcher built in. A higher rated droid would not have room for this. I would also like to point out that before the Master Ranger harvest bonus increase, I did test a higher rated droid (116) and at that time a higher rated droid did not have any benefit in harvest over my +76 droid.

Message Edited by JascoSmlee on 03-23-2005 09:50 PM

Quote: So Hb 76 isn't the magic number lol. But its close... I'd love to see what a HB 80 droid did. How many harvest modules do you have in that droid?

Since every one seems to want the see the veghash numbers in a hour or two I can add that data to my previous set.

If this its going to be sain and not too whiny I'll stick around and chip in numbers. But a lot of this stuff has just been stupid. If we want the devs to take a look at the situation lets try colecting solid, meaningful data and presenting it to them in a clear and cool headed manner first.

Quote: It may not seem like it, but I do follow the problems.

JB said he wasn't going to report that there was a problem with droids solo unless some one gave him numbers. I've been in the mood to gather numbers so I am. I've also gathered some group data.

Ok before I go any further I'd like to point to some data that I do not have but I feel should be gathered for completeness in regards to droid/veghash stacking.

We need someone with a low creature harvest mod using a 110+ droid and +24ish veghash to demonstrate low end numbers.

I myself plan on gathering 1000+ unit data to see if the issue of droid + 24 veghash giving the same harvest as no droid + 24 veghash is do to capping or the bonus from the droid being too small to add a whole unit.

I really think that we can only ask for so many bonuses. I do feel for the people that have droids that now harvest less than their masters do by hand, but that fact that even with veghash a good droid can harvest equal to us makes them of some utility.

From Mountian Squills, the droid was HB 111, the Veghash +24

Harvested by hand, no group. Group data by hand was not gathered since we know that works fine. 170, 170, 169, 168

Harvested by droid in group with no members within 64 m. Please note these amounts are very close to -40% of the above. I.E. The droid is using the old harvest penalty. 104, 104, 106, 106

Harvested by droid in group with a member within 10 m (large safety margin). The same -40% is in effect here. 106, 106, 106, 104

Harvested by droid no group. The droid is showing a small bonus. 175, 176, 176, 176

Harvested by hand with +24 veghash, no group. 192, 191, 192, 192

Harvested by droid with +24 veghash, no group. Same as without the droid. Either I've run into a cap or the bonus from the droid is to small to show. 192, 192, 192, 191

In closing:

Further research is needed in the area of Veghash/droid stacking. We also need to establish what HB rating is needed for droids to harvest the same as a Master Ranger by hand.

The most important data is in the first 3 sets. It clearly shows that droids are enforcing the old -40% group penalty. I think we can all agree that this is a simple oversight on the part of the devs. This still leaves open the issue of the +20% to +40% bonus.

I will restate this to make it crystal clear.

When using the droids in a group you are not getting the getting the new group bonus, and your are getting the old -40% group penalty. Or put another way you are harvesting 50% to 57% less in a group by useing a droid than you would by hand.

Message Edited by agent156 on 03-23-2005 10:54 PM